Pembicaraan:Istri-istri Muhammad

Asma binti Nu'man dan Umarah binti Yazid

Umumnya umat Islam di Indonesia berpendapat bahwa istri Muhammad ada 11 orang. Sedangkan untuk istri-istri lainnya yang sudah secara umum diakui, bahkan referensinya saja belum lengkap, apalagi untuk yang kontroversial. Maka, saya sembunyikan dahulu keterangan tentang kedua wanita tersebut di atas, sebelum ada referensi tambahannya. Salam, Naval Scene 07:42, 29 Maret 2008 (UTC)

Konteks kacau

Konteks artikel ini menurut saya sudah kacau/perlu penyuntingan drastis. Masih banyak aspek dalam pernikahan Nabi, selain membahas melulu soal sejarah istri-istrinya. Jadi penjelasan tentang istri-istri Nabi tersebut seharusnya diperingkas dan hanya dijelaskan secara lebih terperinci di artikel masing-masing. Salam, Naval Scene (bicara) 08:05, 15 Desember 2009 (UTC)

Perbaikan

Ok, nanti klo ada waktu saya akan revisi.

Thanks and Long Live Grindcore SKULLSPLITTER (bicara) 09:35, 15 Desember 2009 (UTC)

Judul

@Alalif7: Perhatikan bahwa judul artikel di Wikipedia, pilihan pertamanya adalah menggunakan istilah atau kata yang populer dalam terbitan, media, dan sumber lainnya. Ingat bahwa penulis di Wikipedia bukanlah periset asli, sehingga seminimal mungkin memberikan pandangannya terhadap materi artikel. Kemudian, pilihan yang lain, entah itu pemahaman orang awam, kesesuaian dengan KBBI, atau alasan lain, itu bersifat dikebelakangkan. Aku pribadi belum tahu apa istilah yang populer untuk topik ini. Mohamadhzanhari (bicara) 19 Agustus 2021 14.01 (UTC)

Yup, makanya saya rubah judulnya jadi "Istri-istri Muhammad", karena istilah itulah yang lebih populer di kalangan masyarakat ketimbang Ummahatul Mu'minin. Coba saja tanya orang-orang di jalan apa itu Ummahatul Mu'minin pasti sangat sedikit yang ngerti, tapi coba kalau ditanya "istri-istri Muhammad" pasti langsung mudeng kalau itu adalah perempuan-perempuan yg dinikahi oleh Nabi Muhammad. Alalif7 (bicara) 20 Agustus 2021 13.49 (UTC)

@Alalif7: Mungkin tindakan saya ini keliru, berargumen menggunakan pedoman di wikipedia bahasa Inggris. Tapi, di Wikipedia yang jadi rujukan bagi banyak wikipedia bahasa lokal itu, pedoman penamaan artikel adalah memakai judul yang terdapat di sumber-sumber tepercaya. Kalau kita menggunakan patokan apa yang dikenal masyarakat, di masyarakat saya pompa air itu dikenal dengan nama "Sanyo". Mereka kalau mendengar sanyo lebih cepat paham, daripada kata pompa air.

Wikipedia adalah ensiklopedia, maka isinya diusahakan seilmiah mungkin. Jika masyarakat belum ilmiah, makan kita mengajak masyarakat menjadi ilmiah, bukan kita yang ikut-ikutan menjadi seperti masyarakat yang tidak ilmiah.

Ini saya sebutkan hanya agar menjadi pegangan. Saya tidak tahu apakah "ummahatul mu'minin" ataukah "istri-istri Muhammad" yang lebih populer dalam sumber tepercaya. Maka saya menyebutkan hal ini bukan dalam rangka menyalahkan saudara Alalif7. Saya hanya melihat argumennya keliru. Begitu ... --Mohamadhzanhari (bicara) 21 Agustus 2021 15.07 (UTC)

Straw man itu namanya mas @Mohamadhzanhari:. Contoh yang kamu gunakan itu genericization, yaitu karena popularitas suatu merek menjadikan nama merek tersebut sebutan umum untuk suatu barang. Sedangkan istri-istri Muhammad jelas sama sekali bukan nama merek atau brand yang dibuat oleh suatu produsen. Jadi gak nyambung. Dan kan kamu sendiri yang berargumen kalau pilihan pertamanya adalah menggunakan istilah atau kata yang populer. Selama itu kata-kata baku ya seharusnya tidak masalah. Analogi yang tepat menurut saya seperti menggunakan judul "airplane" untuk artikel bahasa indonesia mengenai pesawat. Kan ngaco toh? Atau artikel sepeda motor pake judul "motorcycle". dlsb. Alalif7 (bicara) 21 Agustus 2021 17.17 (UTC)

Mengasyikkan kalau apa yang kita tuliskan itu ditanggapi orang, tidak hanya dibaca.

Saya membawakan contoh bukan karena menganggap judul "Istri-istri Nabi" ataupun "Ummahatul mu'minin" adalah merk. Itu hanya contoh yang terpikir mengenai konsep populer. Apa yang populer di masyarakat belum tentu ilmiah, sehingga belum tentu bisa dipakai di sebuah ensiklopedia pengetahuan.

Sebenarnya kalau saudara memperhatikan, saya bukan bilang "kata atau istilah populer" lalu titik. Saudara Alalif sepertinya hanya melihat yang tercetak tebal. Yang saya katakan adalah penggunaan judul itu diutamakan sesuai dengan apa yang "populer dalam terbitan, media, dan sumber lainnya." Menggunakan bahasa asing juga tidaklah keliru jika memang itu yang populer dalam sumber tepercaya yang telah diterbitkan. Seperti, sampai sekarang kita menggunakan kata "Salat" dan "Al-Qur'an" dalam berbagai terbitan. --Mohamadhzanhari (bicara) 22 Agustus 2021 16.11 (UTC)

Permintaan penyuntingan halaman direvisi sebagian agar tidak terjadi kesalahan pada 20 Oktober 2022

Saya ingin supaya penyunting lainnya mengerti agar tidak terjadi kesalahpahamanAdam Akira (bicara) 19 Oktober 2022 22.22 (UTC) Saya ingin memperbaiki artikel dari wikipedia ini agar tidak terjadi kesalahpahaman

adam akira skl Adam Akira (bicara) 19 Oktober 2022 22.23 (UTC)

ingin merivisi halaman yang berjudul "istri istri muhammad" Adam Akira (bicara) 19 Oktober 2022 22.25 (UTC)

@Adam Akira: silakan anda melakukan penyuntingan namun harus ada referensi yang valid dan tidak diperbolehkan untuk memvandal BJ2002 Ngobrol yuk 😊 19 Oktober 2022 23.07 (UTC)

paragraf/kalimat mana yang mau anda ubah? cc @Adam Akira:
— ustad abu gosok (kotak wicara) 29 Oktober 2022 07.57 (UTC)

sementara saya tolak sampai anda mau memberitahukan kalimat/paragraf mana yang ingin anda ubah
— ustad abu gosok (kotak wicara) 6 November 2022 12.57 (UTC)

Illchy

@Illchy sudah dijelaskan oleh bung @Kris Simbolon sebelumnya. Jangan melakukan perang suntingan. Abdul Latif Salafiyyah (bicara) 31 Januari 2023 00.21 (UTC)

Bung @Abdul Latif Salafiyyah: kalau bisa bahasa Inggris tolong terjemahkan artikel en:Wives of Muhammad, saya masih belum srek sama artikel Istri-istri Muhammad yang bahasa Indonesia. Illchy (bicara) 31 Januari 2023 00.33 (UTC)

Artikel yang bahasa Inggris jauh lebih bagus dan lengkap artikelnya. Illchy (bicara) 31 Januari 2023 00.34 (UTC)

 Setuju Artikel versi bhs Inggris ttg istri-istri Muhammad lebih lengkap dibanding bhs Indonesia. Namun, perlu diperhatikan bahwa tidak semua artikel di Wikipedia adalah terjemahan paralel dari versi Wikipedia lainnya. Dalam hal ini, artikel bhs Indonesia sangat mengandalkan sumber primer (Al-Qur'an dan Hadits) sehingga kutipan dri kedua sumber ini sangat banyak. Hal ini, karna penulisan kedua versi artikel (Indo dan Inggris) mmg terpisah dan beda sudut pandang. Saya lihat riwayat suntingan, versi bhs Indonesia banyak ditulis oleh wikipediawan yg golongan Islam terpelajar (mungkin saja santri ?). Sehingga sangat banyak kutipan dri sumber primer. Sementara, di Wikipedia bhs Inggris, mereka sangat banyak mengutip pernyataan orientalis Barat. Maka, jika hendak ditulis mengikuti Wikipedia bhs Inggris, ya bbrp kalimat kutipan Al Qur'an dan Hadits juga harus diganti dng pernyataan para orientalis. Namun, terakhir, ini bukan wilayah saya. Saya terlibat tempo hari, karna saya melihat penghapusan dan oleh karena nya saya mentag salah satu kontributor yg aktif di sini utk memberi perhatian di sini. Kris Simbolon (bicara) 31 Januari 2023 00.45 (UTC)

Tidak mesti sama dgn bahasa Inggris, tiap2 wiki bebas memiliki versinya sendiri. Saya perhatikan versi Inggris terlalu banyak bergantung pada perkataan orientalis barat. Saya rasa kalau artikel bertopik Islam maka seharusnya sumbernya dari sumber Islam, bukan sumber orientalis. Abdul Latif Salafiyyah (bicara) 31 Januari 2023 00.46 (UTC)

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